Every time we talk about a number, you find the need to bring up other numbers. That's because you actually can't refute my number, but feel the need to somehow rationalize your position. I'm not arguing against you that there are risks in everything, because that is actually my point. However, you keep missing my point, so I keep telling you:
Even if you claim the vast majority of some section of society is more responsible than the morans, accidents happen, people make stupid decisions, and the risk of death goes up, by a lot as a percentage risk. I ceded that these are small numbers, but you keep trying to tell me it's worse elsewhere...I don't give a damn. I don't.
I just want to hear a guy who keeps making the same bullshit argument of "guns keep me safer" actually accept that they don't. They don't, the stats prove it. They aren't factoids, like somehow you claiming that negates the truth. That is the reality of the situation -- even good, smart, law-abiding people have ended up dead, sometimes by accident, sometimes on purpose, solely because of the presence of guns.
Keep in mind I'm pro-gun, but I'm not delusional about them somehow making me and my family safer. Being pro-knife or -pool or -jet ski or -whatever isn't because they make us safer, it's because they are cool and we like them. Same thing with guns.
Just say it. Just admit that the truth of the matter is that you just like guns, everything else you've brought up is tangential to the discussion, and being "prepared" and "guns keeping us safer" are just not true.
If you can do that, I can readily cede, again, that the numbers are small.
Deal? Because I'm not going to budge from my position that there are truths in this world like vaccines don't cause autism, organized religion causes more harm than good, and guns create a more dangerous environment by their very existence. I will also not budge from my position that everyone has a right to own guns, worship, and be retarded and not vaccinate their children. But I get to call bullshit on all three.
Even if you claim the vast majority of some section of society is more responsible than the morans, accidents happen, people make stupid decisions, and the risk of death goes up, by a lot as a percentage risk. I ceded that these are small numbers, but you keep trying to tell me it's worse elsewhere...I don't give a damn. I don't.
I just want to hear a guy who keeps making the same bullshit argument of "guns keep me safer" actually accept that they don't. They don't, the stats prove it. They aren't factoids, like somehow you claiming that negates the truth. That is the reality of the situation -- even good, smart, law-abiding people have ended up dead, sometimes by accident, sometimes on purpose, solely because of the presence of guns.
Keep in mind I'm pro-gun, but I'm not delusional about them somehow making me and my family safer. Being pro-knife or -pool or -jet ski or -whatever isn't because they make us safer, it's because they are cool and we like them. Same thing with guns.
Just say it. Just admit that the truth of the matter is that you just like guns, everything else you've brought up is tangential to the discussion, and being "prepared" and "guns keeping us safer" are just not true.
If you can do that, I can readily cede, again, that the numbers are small.
Deal? Because I'm not going to budge from my position that there are truths in this world like vaccines don't cause autism, organized religion causes more harm than good, and guns create a more dangerous environment by their very existence. I will also not budge from my position that everyone has a right to own guns, worship, and be retarded and not vaccinate their children. But I get to call bullshit on all three.
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